Yesterday thearcanetheory completely derailed my post which was about ant-black racism, because I dared mention the creator was a white Jew. Even though it was very clear from the OP that I was angry his bullshit film and not his Jewish identity. And, she, like all the other pressed people, have…
Yo, by saying “ugh white Jew” when he’s NOT WHITE AT ALL AND IS A POC (Palestinian Jew at that), you are PERPETUATING the “Jews are horrible in Hollywood/run Hollywood” stereotype Which Is B.A.D.
Also Jews come from TWELVE FUCKING TRIBES. WE CAN USE THAT FUCKING WORD TOO.
Seriously, if you said “ugh white man” or “ugh that was racist” THERE WOULDN’T BE A NEED FOR THIS COMMENTARY.
But no, you decided to say an Anti-Semitic thing and NOT Apologize for it! For fucks sake, you’re a fucking moderator of casual-isms,
What You Did was part of that -ism.
Fess up.
Say sorry.
Y’all stay derailing my shit and obviously didn’t read yesterday’s threads or what I just said. I’m not going to apologize to a bunch of anti-Black people for any reason, ever.
Yesterday thearcanetheory completely derailed my post which was about ant-black racism, because I dared mention the creator was a white Jew. Even though it was very clear from the OP that I was angry his bullshit film and not his Jewish identity. And, she, like all the other pressed people, have no understanding of anything related to Black people, radical Black womanism or radical Black theology.
If you’re not Black you don’t get to define Blackness or anti-black racism. It’s really that simple.Talking about colorism in the Jewish community as if you’re all of the same race/ethnicity is anti-black as fuck. Yes the identity of non-Black Jews is complicated but I don’t give a fuck about that shit because you all benefit from anti-Black racism and so many of you perpetuate that shit daily. Black Jews are Black and are affected by anti-Black racism. They are affected by colorism within Black communities. They are also affected by anti-Semitism.
It is a prevalent belief among Black people, especially religious communities, that everyone in the Bible was Black and that people, including Egyptians, started off being Black. Both science and religion have perpetuated anti-blackness and are steeped in white supremacy so excuse me if I don’t give a fuck about some anti-black archaeological bullshit. I don’t give a fuck about the feelings of some non-Black girl who thinks she can define blackness and doesn’t even know better than to use the word tribe to describe Black people. Y’all are so caught up in white supremacy you really think you can speak over me to define Blackness.
I’m not here to educate anti-black people nicely. I will continue to be rude as fuck to anti-black people. The level of anti-blackness on this blog is too damn high. Unfollow at will.
ectoplastic asked: I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but casual racism is shows like "ancient aliens" whose content mostly revolves around shitting on indigenous cultures because "wow this ancient civilization was so advanced, alien gods must have helped them because no fucking way were these people that good at architecture"
That’s racism and white supremacy. And I have an even better example from the Fritz the Cat shit that went down yesterday:
“there’s no way the ancient egyptians were black. Yes Egypt is in Africa but Egypt is next to the middle east and is full of brown people and has had the same racial makeup for the last billion years. And the Egptians of today, who have been intermarrying with Greeks, Romans, Arabic peoples since biblical times, are not Black. Therefore the Ancient Egptians weren’t Black. And there were Black people in Egypt but there were no Black Egyptians except for the Nubians.”
That’s anti-black racism and white supremacy all in one. And yesterday it was being perpetuated by lots of Jews who are committed to the struggle of their Black tribe members.
Many of you are so anti-black and can’t even see it.
danapolis asked: The stereotype that jewish men run hollywood is long standing and very real (iirc there are even hate groups that have sites dedicated to creating registries of every jewish actor and director in hollywood based on this stereotype). So....while you claim ignorance to this stereotype, you nonetheless evoked it in your comment, and that's what you got called out on, and I've never held ignorance as an excuse.
your argument would be valid if i was arguing that he was horrible for being Jewish and that this is what happens when Jewish men run hollywood. I wasn’t arguing that and I haven’t argued that in any of my posts. I said that he’s a racist and him being Jewish doesn’t exempt him from my fury.
creativeconflagration asked: In the very first place, why was it necessary to even say (of a disgusting piece of film) that white Jewish men were especially depraved somehow? Like, even among whites Jews were especially gross? That's absolutely how it read to me and I'm just curious why it was necessary to toss that out? I really feel that tossing "Jewish" into the mix is a casual -ism in and of itself.
I can see how you’d be mad if you mis-interpreted what I wrote and thought I was calling him disgusting for being Jewish. I wasn’t. I was simply updating the person on the two facts we’d found out 1. He’s a racist and 2. he’s Jewish. That was it. I was also thinking of religion and racism and how Christians are not the only anti-Black religious people. But I was def too lazy to write all that originally and kept that shit short and simple. But now I’ve argued through it all so there it is.
girls are more gallant: thearcanetheory: For That Laid-Back Ignorance: trigger warning: fucked…
For That Laid-Back Ignorance: trigger warning: fucked up shit
if you want to be extra extra mad and also sick to…
A lot of you seem to be confused as to what’s going on. I got upset over racism, rape culture, misognoir, and a whole bunch of other fucked up shit in this movie made by a Jewish man. Someone informed me he was Jewish and I assumed he was white. He’s not. And now several of you have gotten distracted by figuring out what he actually is which doesn’t matter because he’s a racist. Jewish people can be racist just like Christians and everybody else on the planet.
Now there are subsequent arguments about Black Jews and a bunch of Jewish people are calling me anti-semitic and acting like antisemitism is more important by refusing to discuss Black Jews or to discuss the racism of the film. Also some people flipped out when I said the bible characters were black because apparently, even though middle east is is right next to Africa and that we are talking about the Africa’s racial makeup thousands of years ago.
And people are telling me that it’s not my place to talk about the racism this man is perpetuating. And it’s out of line for me to bring up the fact that he’s Jewish which I brought up because it allows for the discussion of the specific oppression Black Jews face because of anti-black racism and anti-Semitism. I also brought it up because people always talk about how racist Christianity is even though people of other faith’s have perpetuated anti black racism. I felt it was important to point out that non-Black Jewish people perpetuate racism just as much as non-Black Christians do. But that discussion isn’t worth having because “you’re all Jewish brethren.” And I’m also not qualified to speak about Black Jews because I’m not Jewish, but you think you’re qualified to use the “we’re all Jewish don’t tokenize Black Jews by mentioning their struggle arugment” when you’re not Black and have never bothered with Black Jews. I wanted to acknowledge both oppressions but don’t want to do that. I wanted to acknowledge that non-Black people of all religions are anti black as fuck and how that affects the religious life of Black people.
Whatever.
Yo, Im’ma let you finish, but that was the lamest ass attempt of all time.
You did not bring up his Jewishness to make the VERY VALID point that ethnic minorities and religious minorities are just as able to engage in anti-blackness as white people, which is a fact that has been acknowledged by EVERY JEWISH REBLOGGER on this issue, myself included.
You spat out one damn line that used a well-entrenched anti-Semitic trope about Jews in Hollywood.
You were called out for it.
And AFTER THAT you went “BUT WHAT ABOUT BLACK JEWS THO” and shoved your gentile ass into conversations about Jewish history and ethnic identity that you have no place in, made bullshit claims about an entire subset of Jewish people, and worse of all, tokenized the shit out of Black Jews in an attempt to cover your own ass. You were then called out by Jews of all spectrums, including Jews of Colour, who did not appreciate your bullshit, as well as black gentiles who noted that your bullshit was…. bullshit.
My people do not exist to be tokenized. Don’t pretend you give a shit about Jews of any sort when you only mention them in order to get out of taking responsibility for your own shit.
You were not talking about shadeism in the Jewish community, you were tokenizing Jews of Colour, specifically Black Jews. Which is anti-Semitic behavior on your part. This isn’t a “we are all brethren argument,” this is a “you don’t get to tokenize groups of Jews to excuse your anti-Semitism argument.”
I don’t know how many times I need to say that I have no idea what Hollywood stereotype you are talking about. What do Jews have to do with Hollywood at all? I was definitely talking about and thinking about religion, racism, and media when I made that comment. You’re really just mad that I pointed out he was Jewish after someone pointed it out to me even though it was clear that I was upset by his racism and his racist project and not his Jewish identity.
For That Laid-Back Ignorance: trigger warning: fucked up shit
if you want to be extra extra mad and also sick to…
A lot of you seem to be confused as to what’s going on. I got upset over racism, rape culture, misognoir, and a whole bunch of other fucked up shit in this movie made by a Jewish man. Someone informed me he was Jewish and I assumed he was white. He’s not. And now several of you have gotten distracted by figuring out what he actually is which doesn’t matter because he’s a racist. Jewish people can be racist just like Christians and everybody else on the planet.
Now there are subsequent arguments about Black Jews and a bunch of Jewish people are calling me anti-semitic and acting like antisemitism is more important by refusing to discuss Black Jews or to discuss the racism of the film. Also some people flipped out when I said the bible characters were black because apparently, even though middle east is is right next to Africa and that we are talking about the Africa’s racial makeup thousands of years ago.
And people are telling me that it’s not my place to talk about the racism this man is perpetuating. And it’s out of line for me to bring up the fact that he’s Jewish which I brought up because it allows for the discussion of the specific oppression Black Jews face because of anti-black racism and anti-Semitism. I also brought it up because people always talk about how racist Christianity is even though people of other faith’s have perpetuated anti black racism. I felt it was important to point out that non-Black Jewish people perpetuate racism just as much as non-Black Christians do. But that discussion isn’t worth having because “you’re all Jewish brethren.” And I’m also not qualified to speak about Black Jews because I’m not Jewish, but you think you’re qualified to use the “we’re all Jewish don’t tokenize Black Jews by mentioning their struggle arugment” when you’re not Black and have never bothered with Black Jews. I wanted to acknowledge both oppressions but don’t want to do that. I wanted to acknowledge that non-Black people of all religions are anti black as fuck and how that affects the religious life of Black people.
Whatever.
pit-beef asked: Once again you've shown your inability to understand Jewish identity and you refuse to acknowledge your own anti semitism. Unfollowed.
Apparently me calling out Jews for their anti black racism is anti-semitic. But it’s not anti-black that you don’t want to acknowledge the intersectional struggle of Black Jews and want to hide behind the “we’re all Jewish” argument which is so close to the “we all bleed red” argument . But when I say fuck this dude then y’all are upset and don’t feel that “we all bleed red” when it comes to being racist. And you think I’m even worse for caring about the specific struggle of Black Jews? But its okay for you to be up in arms over this fucker? You will not be missed.
if you want to be extra extra mad and also sick to your stomach here is the link to the most problematic shit i have ever seen in my entire…
3800 BCE, people were LONG out of Africa by then, but don’t let actual facts hit your butt on the way out. But ok, tell an archaeologist that she doesn’t know her own field, that’s cute. I laid out in quite explicit detail the evidence we have that shows that if anything, the exact “race” of my ancestors is inconclusive, and that you as a goy have no place in discussions of Jewish identity. That’s an intra-topic. You’re not invited. I hate to break it to you, but Hebrew identity is NOT YOUR DISCUSSION because YOU ARE NOT JEWISH.
Is that so hard?
You are tokenizing Jews in order to cover your ass for having busted out a real nasty, long-entrenched anti-Semitic trope. That is not ok. That is never ok. In other words, you literally failed at intersectionality, because the stereotype you are relying on is one that hits Jews of all colours, completely regardless of the fact that you stuck the word “white” in front of it.
Instead of realizing that your behavior is tokenizing Jews and perpetuating damaging stereotypes, you start bringing up some made-up bullshit from the Bronze Age that you literally know nothing about, and expect that to somehow undo the fact that you done goofed!
A number of Jews have called you out on it, and instead of going “oh hey wait, I didn’t realize this was a stereotype, I won’t do it again,” you just dig yourself deeper into this hole.
How is this so hard? Calling out racism and anti-blackness does not have to devolve into anti-Semitism, much how calling out any other -ism doesn’t have to devolve into, say, ant-blackness, or Islamaphobia. You stepped in it by relying on a nasty trope. You were called out. You were explained, in detail, that nasty director’s anti-blackness does not warrant anti-Semitism, and instead of realizing that you, as a gentile, hold privilege over every single Jew in this regard, throw a tantrum because you don’t like the fact that you were called out, apparently.
Your anti-Semitism hurts Jews of every colour, and your tokenization of Black Jews hurts them especially. None of us are here to be tokenized by you. None of us are your token Jews.
You are a piece a shit who believes the most white supremacist bullshit. And I never said that Jewish people control hollywood. Someone told me about that stereotype after I made the Fritz the Cat post. Maybe another mod said that. But I haven’t been monitoring this blog in months because I’m a fucking college student with papers to write and jobs to work. My post relied on entirely on that fuckers racism. So fuck your feelings. Don’t come back. I’m tired of your shit. You can stay mad forever.
if you want to be extra extra mad and also sick to your stomach here is the link to the most problematic shit i have ever seen in my entire life.
it’s this movie called Fritz the Cat.
trigger warnings for racism, sexual abuse, rape, violence, white supremacy, misogynoir, and probably a bunch of other horrible things that i’m missing because i couldn’t watch the whole thing. Don’t watch the whole thing. 30secs is enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Kd_5cW9Zg&list=PLDEC8183DDC53A1FC
what the fuck did i just watch
shit white jewish men come up with
“shit white jewish men come up with”?
yeah, let’s hold an ethnic minority that is victimized by white supremacy MORE RESPONSIBLE for white supremacy than actual white people!
because that makes PERFECT FUCKING SENSE
You can be mad as shit about a nasty-ass racist movie without throwing anti-Semitism into the mixture.
pro-tip! a half-assed attempt to hide your anti-Semitism with “whiteness” is a bullshit attempt that we can all see through!
PS, Krymchak isn’t white, even for a Jew. he’s Near-Eastern. Do your fucking research.
That being said: this is disgusting, this is not ok remotely, and I would be ok with throwing the director down into a pit.
You’re real mad, but you’re also wrong. You missed the thread where we discussed that’s his Israeli and probably identifies as a POC.
Even so it doesn’t matter if he’s white not. He’s perpetuating anti black racism. He’s a fucking racist. Non-Black Jewish people aren’t immune from being racist. And Jewish people have done some fucked up shit to Black people just like every other race. So you can hold on to you’re “he’s not white” argument but you’re missing the point entirely.
And for the millionth time! Black Jews exist. Have existed forever. Y’all are out in these street pretending like they don’t. I’ve never heard a non-Black Jew talk about Black Jews. The Jews in the bible were Black. And non-Black Jews have benefited from the oppression of Black Jews and Black people. That is why it’s important to make the distinction that he is both racist and Jewish because Judaism has problems with racism just like Christianity does. And this crusty ass racist, can’t even understand the plight of his fellow Jews because their Black? Fuck that noise and fuck his whole life.
Tl;dr: Black Jews exist and non-Black Jews are capable of anti-black racism. Fuck this dude fuck his life
you’ll notice that I roundly condemned his racist acts, and I really don’t have a problem if he vanishes off the face of the earth. I am not trying to minimize the gravity of his anti-blackness in the slightest.
that being said, there is a big problem on tumblr and IRL where people will rely on long-entrenched anti-Semitic tropes, but put the word “white” in front of it, as if this somehow mitigates the INCREDIBLE DAMAGE that these stereotypes inflict on Jewish people OF ALL COLOURS. noting where a call-out went wrong is neither detracting from the issue or derailing; it is noting where someone said something that was problematic.
“the Jews in the Bible were black.”
Are you Jewish? No? Then what right have you to talk about Jewish identity? Oh yeah… NONE. Get your appropriative ass out of Jewish issues.
Furthermore, I invite you to check out the pictograms and heiroglyphics of the 18th Dynasty towards the end of the Bronze Age that depict a gorup of Levantines, the Habiru, emigrating to Egypt due to famine. They are not portrayed as the Nubians or even some of the Egyptians themselves; they are painted in a lighter brown colour. Were they PoC? Hell yes. Black? Up for debate. The anthropological skull remains that have been unearthed suggest possibly not, but the proof is inconclusive either way. It is more likely, from the archaeological evidence we have, that the ancient Levantines, Hebrews included. had a mix of Afro-Asiatic-Levantine features, depending on the various tribes they fractioned into.
But you know what? As a goy, your ass has no place in a discussion about Jewish history. It simply doesn’t.
Nor have you spent a lot of time around various Jewish tumblr groups. A great many of us talk about all sorts of Jews, including Beta Israel, Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, and Gorski. And some of us are fandom bloggers. And some of us discuss only issues that pertain to us. Your blanket statement about Jews discussing X-subject simply has no basis in reality.
Finally, trotting out my own tribe members in order to tokenize them when Jews note a problemmatic statement that relies on anti-Semitic tropes is gross behavior on your part. None of us exist to be tokenized by goyim, for any reason.
Are you kidding me? Do you not understand the everyone in the old testament was Black. They were in fucking Africa before the persian/assyrian/greek/ mesopotamian empires are you kidding me?. They were Black. And Jesus was Black. And you didn’t roundly condemn anything except for me. You wrote one sentence about the racism. You think I’m tokenizing but you’re real quick to throw Black Jews under the bus talmbout we’re all Jewish in here. You fail at intersectionality.
And my place is in any conversation that relates to Black people. Fuck you.
Jesus Christ!! talking about people living in African in 5000 B.C. tryna tell me they weren’t Black and acting like you didn’t dodge the anti-Black racism all in that film and place importance on my so called antisemitism.
yoooo egypt is in north africa
majority of ancient egyptians (esp in lower egypt) weren’t black, they were brown
not all africans are black
it’s not anti-blackness it’s a statement of fact just like the ancient nubians WERE black i mean its fine africa is diverse
No. Nonono. They already proved that Egyptians were Black and you are Late!!! The Nubian Egyptians were also Black but from a different part of Africa. And you’re are acting like Black Africans don’t come in a million shades of brown and still consider themselves Black. And not all of them are brown because they have white or arabic in their families either. There is very little white in my family because I’m of maroon descent and I would be considered light-skinned in some parts of Africa. And I’m definitely brown as fuck.and could never pass as anything but Black.
